#deletefacebook and #deletewhatsapp - what do you think?

Scandals related to data misuse, as most recently allegedly operated by Cambridge Analytica, repeatedly lead to negative reports about Facebook. But also the question Is WhatsApp illegal? recently caused data debates about the Facebook group, to which WhatsApp Inc. has been part since 2014. This is why users, data protection activists and former employees of social networks and messengers are currently making calls like #deletefacebook (delete Facebook!) And #deletewhatsapp (delete WhatsApp!). What do you think about the topic - should and can you simply delete the accounts and say goodbye to the communication tools?

Delete Facebook as a call to delete the user account in the social network is currently making the rounds. The same thing happens with WhatsApp Messenger. What do you think of #deletefacebook and #deletewhatsapp?

Delete Facebook as a call to delete the user account in the social network is currently making the rounds. The same thing happens with WhatsApp Messenger. What do you think of #deletefacebook and #deletewhatsapp?

What's going on there?

A few days ago it emerged that the data analysis company Cambridge Analytica, with which Facebook worked, allegedly embezzled data from around 50 million users. That should have happened four years ago. In addition, the data is said to have been used during the election campaign of Donald Trump in 2016, such as CNET reports. Facebook and founder Mark Zuckerberg portray themselves as victims in the affair; but there are also dissenting voices. Basically, it doesn't matter to the user, as the data can no longer be viewed as secure either way. That is why Brian Action, the founder of WhatsApp, called on his followers via Twitter to delete their Facebook accounts:

There is a comprehensive commentary on the subject from Arwa Mahdawi on the website of The Guardian. Here, however, not only the personal opinion of the author is presented, but reports and sources are also named that deal with the topic in a factual manner. For example this Guardian reportwho once again shows in detail the relationship between data theft and the Trump election campaign.

Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook as a teenager, was quite unsure of the whole topic, or perhaps just overwhelmed without data protection ambitions brought into being. In a recent interview he said so reports iFunthat he is not sure whether the social network should not be regulated by the state. There are more statements from Zuckerberg in his post on the subject as well as in this interview, in which he describes the case from his point of view and shows the internal consequences that result from the case:

My relation to #deletefacebook and #deletewhatsapp

I have to say, I'm also about to delete my Facebook profile. The fact that you have already stored your data there anyway and that it will certainly be used there in the long term makes me doubt the effect. To do this, WhatsApp would have to be deleted as well, because it is obvious that the data is shared here, and despite repeated assurances by Mark Zuckerberg, it can still be proven. By deleting the individual accounts, at least future data would no longer be available.

In view of the two providers, I could do without Facebook without any problems. I hardly use that anyway. But WhatsApp is a communication channel that has now taken the form of a telephone number. For my children's leisure activities alone, I am in five WhatsApp groups. If you are not there, you will miss appointments, cancellations and much more. Facebook users may also have the same experience, having found an exchange with others in individual groups that they would miss without the platform.

So my question to you: How do you deal with the call #deletefacebook? And how useful do you find the #deletewhatsapp call?

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  1. Simone says:

    Sorry, it's not difficult to switch. Be consistent and don't pretend there's only FC and WÄpp.
    Great alternative: Signal. Also as a desktop version.
    Sunny greeting

  2. Stefan child's father says:

    Well, since a lot of people primarily use these two networks, I just see it that way. Why extinguish and isolate yourself?
    I tried to use alternatives in my environment (Threema, etc.) and gave up.
    The only problem is that most of them are too comfortable to use alternatives or take the trouble to find out more. Why worry about data protection. That could be inconvenient and take a lot of effort, right?
    What should I then do with other providers alone?

    Calling for a boycott is one thing, only nobody does the work to push and support better alternatives in return, so that they then go into the flat.

    When it comes to data protection, I take a pragmatic view. Anyone who wants to know something about me will find out somehow. When I navigate the WWW, no matter what form, and I think I am absolutely safe and not transparent, from my point of view it already lives a little in its own little naive, ideal world.

    Using a little common sense sometimes works wonders, I think.



  3. Robert says:

    Instead of judging yourself away from something with a boycott; Maybe it's just an occasion to talk to people face to face or by phone again and leave the portable minicomputer aside. It avoids dangers from inattentiveness, a double chin and myopia. Therefore it trains to correctly interpret unadulterated facial expressions and voices :)

    I denied WhatsApp on the private phone because I don't want to upload the phone numbers that were given to me in confidence anywhere. (Nobody gives their consent to allow this with their private mobile number!)
    The options (iMessage, Threema, Signal, Telegram) cost little or nothing and those who shy away from the effort and the MB for the installation on the smartphone do not have to communicate with me in this way. Conversely, I don't have to go along with everything because everyone is doing it.

    • sir appleot says:

      Hello Robert! Yes, sure there are these options and alternatives. But if hardly any of your friends use the apps, it doesn't help if you switch. I hope that there will be providers who do not have business content to scan the exchanged data and use it for advertising purposes. I would like to pay a monthly fee if I knew that there would then be an alternative that is also widely used. But currently nothing is emerging. : D

  4. Robert says:

    Yes, they listen to me just as they do with computers or other technology, even if they install an additional app :-)
    I can't find an overview of the individual business models side by side and the previous recommendation by eff.org was therefore too simplified (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/why-we-cant-give-you-recommendation).

    The monoculture of the "firstborn" harbors risks and should better be prevented. (-> Audiobook Qualityland is very entertaining.). The apps don't weigh much and if one of the trustworthy apps is only used by a friend, installation is actually no longer a question. The essential functions as well as copy / paste are given, alternatives are readily available and if a service provider is burgled, not all of my communication is tapped.

    • sir appleot says:

      Hello Robert! Thanks for your hints and links. You're right about that. Unfortunately, not everyone "listens" to me. Whatsapp groups, for example, which we have here for entire class groups at the school, are also problematic. To make sure that all parents use a different messenger would only work if the initiator of the groups dictated it. I don't see any problem with individual friends. You can manage that ... and I'll listen to Qualityland. I'm a kangaroo fan anyway. ;-)

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