A recommendation: 4K televisions that are suitable as PC monitors - with HDMI 2.0 and 4k UHD @ 60 HZ or more (updated)

4K television as PC monitor: no problem with the HDMI 2.0 input. The Sony KD-43X8305C (pictured) is a potential candidate (Photo: Amazon).

My nephew told me yesterday that he was about to get one 4K TV would like to buy for less than 300 EUR, which he would then like to misuse as a PC monitor. The price struck me as suspiciously cheap, but since he no longer knew the brand, I couldn't check where the catch was. The whole thing made me kind of puzzled and I felt a bit read into the topic "4k TV as PC Montior"to find recommended 4K TV models. Basically, the resolution of a 4K monitor is the same as that of a 4K television, but there are a few differences in the display that I have explained in this post. Important for the article: Ultra-HD, UHD and 4K are used synonymously here and are also the same in practice. The resolution of the devices is always 3840x 2160 Pixel. The frame rate (fps = frames per second) would usually be 60 Hz or more so that moving the window or the mouse pointer on the television is also smooth.

When selecting the televisions below, I deliberately did not list TV sets with giant displays, because most of the time you sit close to the "monitor" and then don't want a 55 inch screen in front of you - that would be like 1st row in the cinema: impressive , but unmanageable. :)

4K television as PC monitor: no problem with the HDMI 2.0 input. The Sony KD-43X8305C (pictured) is a potential candidate (Photo: Amazon).

4K television as PC monitor: no problem with the HDMI 2.0 input. The Sony KD-43X8305C (pictured) is a potential candidate (Photo: Amazon).

DVI to HDMI conversion is always problematic

But if you have a PC that has an HDMI 2.0 output, you can usually get a 60 Hz picture on the 4K television. If you have a DVI output (mini Displayport) on your MAC or PC, you usually have to use an adapter or a special cable, but this again has the disadvantage that it only brings the 4K resolution over with a maximum of 30 Hz. There is currently no adapter that can handle 60 Hz. There was once an adapter from ULTRA HDTV that supposedly was supposed to handle 4k @ 60Hz, but it didn't work for many people, so the manufacturer has obviously stopped selling it.

Update: There is one Mini Displayport to HDMI adapter from Club 3D, which also offers 4k at 60 Hz and works well according to customer reviews (thanks, Heiko!). And here also the adapter as DP to HDMI (Thank you, Busch!).

Update of this article about 4K televisions that should be suitable as PC monitors

Update, November 29, 2016: After consulting a knowledgeable reader (see comments), I have decided to revise this article. I have adjusted the list of suitable devices to smaller models and now offer you an updated list of good 4K televisions that are suitable as monitors for the PC. (For all those who are looking for 4K televisions that should only be connected to the computer from time to time, e.g. for gaming, I left the old list with the large models in the article.)

New list of 4K televisions that can be used as monitors

Now you have to see that the search for “small” 4K televisions is not that easy. The smallest models measure 40 inches in the screen diagonal, i.e. around 100 cm. The search filter at Amazon at least does not allow the selection of models up to 39 inches. So here are some 4K TVs with 40 inches and one with 43 inches, for those who sit a little further away;):

Thomson 40UB6406 102 cm (40 inch) TV (Ultra HD, Triple Tuner DVB-T2 HEVC H.265, Smart TV)
HDMI 2.0 compatible device with support for 60 Hz images and an image quality of 800 ppi. Average good ratings at not too high a price. No information on color subsampling.
Telefunken XU40A401 102 cm (40 inch) TV (4K Ultra-HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV)
4K UHD TV with 800Hz and Clear Motion Picture, HDMI and VGA connections and, on average, quite good ratings. Again, no information on sampling / color subsampling.
Panasonic TX-40DXW604 Viera 100 cm (40 inch) TV (4K Ultra HD, 800 Hz BMR, Quattro Tuner, Smart TV)
4K UHD TV with 800 Hz and HDMI, USB, LAN etc. connections. Reference to internet usage, so probably also suitable for text and other office applications.
Panasonic TX-40DXW734 Viera 100 cm (40 inch) TV (4K Ultra HD, 1400 Hz BMR, HDR High Dynamic Range, Quattro Tuner with twin concept, Smart TV)
4K UHD television with 1.400 Hz and HDMI, USB, LAN etc. connections. Also made for web applications, so it is also good as a monitor.
Hisense H43MEC3050 108 cm (43 inch) TV (Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, DVB-T2 HD, Smart TV)
4K UHD upscaling device with very good average ratings and 800 Hz. Among other things, HDMI and USB as well as Smart TV connectivity.

Notes on color subsampling or (sub) sampling

As you can read in the comments below, Marc pointed out to me that an important criterion for monitors is not addressed in this article - the sampling or subsampling, or in German: the Color subsampling. Unfortunately, this data is also missing from this update. I rummaged through the manufacturer's data sheets and also viewed the operating instructions if they could be found on the Internet. I have not found any indication of whether Y'CbCr 4: 4: 4 (high quality) or at least Y'CbCr 4: 2: 2 (medium quality) is used. - Update, November 29, 2016 end

4K TV with PC monitor potential

As mentioned above, the HDMI 2.0 input as well as one is required for a good computer picture on the TV Frame rate of 60 Hz or more important. 2.0K @ 4 Hz is not possible without HDMI 60 - even if the televisions are otherwise advertised for 4K operation. According to this specification, I have selected some 4K TVs that meet these criteria and that also have positive customer reviews:

  • TCL U40S6806S (102 cm / 40 inches, Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV) - here at Amazon.de
  • Hisense H43MEC3050 (108 cm / 43 inch, Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV) - here at Amazon.de
  • Samsung UE48JU6050 (121 cm / 48 inches, Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV) - here at Amazon.de
  • LG 43UF7709 (108 cm / 43 inch, Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV) - here at Amazon.de
  • Sony KD-43X8305C (108 cm / 43 inch, Ultra HD, 2x triple tuner, Smart TV) - here at Amazon.de

If you have models in use that you can recommend, I look forward to your comment. Please make sure, however, that I only record devices that actually offer real 4K / UHD with at least 60 Hz.

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46 comments

  1. Heiko says:

    Hi Jens,

    I know the following adapter from club-3d: Club 3D Mini DisplayPort ™ 1.2 to HDMI ™ 2.0 4K60Hz UHD Active Adapter

    That should be an adapter that makes 4k @ 60Hz ... Is also successful in use with a LG 4k TV as a PC monitor.

    Regards
    Heiko

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Heiko! Thanks for your recommendation. The adapter was new to me, but it obviously has a lot of good reviews!

  2. Felix says:

    Which graphics card would you recommend for a Windows PC, I don't want to gamble, it should only have HDMI 2.0. I need a big picture to produce music ... glg felix

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Felix! I have to admit: I don't have much experience with Windows PCs. I built the last PC myself 15 years ago. :)
      But I would recommend using a graphics card from a well-known manufacturer. All of them are no longer expensive if you only need "space". But if you take one from a well-known manufacturer, you will have fewer problems with drivers. Sorry that I can't recommend a model to you.

  3. Marc says:

    Two of three criteria (4k @ 60Hz) met.
    Unfortunately you don't even address the third (4: 4: 4 subsampling). Cheap TVs may only be 4: 2: 2 or even 4: 2: 0, which means that text looks a bit or rather frayed. Unsuitable.

    And your monitors are all way too big. At the normal viewing distance on the desk, i.e. 60cm, you want a maximum of 39-42 inch monitors. For 48 inches or larger, you need more viewing distance.

    Personal view: I currently have a LG34UM95, which is also pretty damn wide. As soon as it gets even wider, you (me!) Want to have a curved monitor so that the side edges don't disappear indefinitely.

    tl; dr: 39-40 inch 4K curved 60Hz with 4: 4: 4 chroma.

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hi Marc! That's right, that was ignored. I think I would have to revise the list again to keep it up to date anyway. I also have your monitor LG34UM95 here as a work monitor. I think it's very good, because its width allows you to put several browser and text windows next to each other. I also had the little brother (the curved model) and I think LG should have made the larger model "curved". Here the outer edges are really a bit "far" away. Otherwise, I also agreed with the size: 42 inches is the absolute maximum to work with. I already think the 34 inches are a lot and would only consider more sensible in special working conditions. In short: I have to renew the article soon. :)

      • Marc says:

        The 34 is also available in curved! Back then (I bought mine exactly 2 years ago) it was still really expensive, now the surcharge on the plan is no longer large.

        I'm flirting with the 38 ″ successor:
        http://geizhals.eu/lg-electronics-38uc99-w-a1501656.html
        Unfortunately still very expensive ...

        The selection of curved TVs in the desired sizes (39-42 inches) is quite small:
        http://geizhals.eu/?cat=tvlcd&xf=1430_42%7E33_37%7E34_3840x2160%7E3952_gebogen

        only Samsung's, only 40 inches, and GH has no information on subsampling.

        • Sir Apfelot says:

          Unfortunately I have the Thunderbolt model ... it doesn't have a curved one. But in retrospect I would have done without the Thunderbolt anyway. I only use it for the monitor connection anyway, since the monitor goes to sleep when not in use and then cuts the power from the internal hub. This will separate all attached devices (including the hard drives!), Which is quite a nonsense.

    • Amin says:

      Hello!,
      I'm currently reading your tips and advice very enthusiastically, I'm already looking for a wolf.
      I still have my beloved Samsung SyncMaster P2770HD, great response times of 2sec. , also otherwise top. Unfortunately, Samsung noticed at the time that this monitor with Triple Turner (27 ") was too good for the super price of 300 € and stopped manufacturing. Now my Samsung is getting a lot of stripes, it's from 2010/2011. I am rather a little TV watcher, but I like to hang out on the PC, where there are also some films.
      High - end resolution and that sort of thing is not my main focus, only space-saving as a monitor with TV option via remote control. I have no experience with LG so far, so my question is what would you recommend to me. Unfortunately, the monitors mentioned start at 40 inches, 32 inches would be my favorite. If necessary a little bigger. I have read all sorts of reviews on Samsung monitors with TVs and often the bad reviews (on Amazon) fall in the same direction that the older models have far better data than the current ones. From poor response times up to 50 HZ built-in panels or "hanging up the picture" which involves pulling a plug several times, because there is no off switch or simply streaking with fast movements. Unfortunately I have no more ideas. But more and more stripes on my Samsung monitor. If you could help me with my choice, I would be very grateful. Otherwise I'll have to have my Samsung repaired, which is supposed to be completely uneconomical.
      Arghhhh ...

  4. Kidney says:

    Hello, Jens

    After a long search I came across the LG43UH603V which, according to the manual, apparently supports the format 4: 4: 4 (as well as the other formats 4: 2: 2 and 4: 2: 0). Here are 2 links to the product ...
    http://www.lg.com/de/support/service-produkt/lg-43UH603V#manuals
    https://www.amazon.de/LG-43UH603V-Fernseher-Ultra-Triple/dp/B01LWU700C

    Unfortunately, I couldn't find the monitor in any specialist shop to get an impression on site.
    LG René

    • Andy G68 says:

      Hello Rene, I have this television on my PC with an RX 480 8GB GraKa. 4: 4: 4 pixel format, 60 Hertz, everything works perfectly.
      However, the text is not super sharp in every application. As a TV for around 400, - € absolutely great> very fast smart functions, great picture, etc. Fast enough to react to the games I play but every now and then I have scaling problems with the text. I can live with it very well, the advantages simply outweigh the advantages;)

    • Andy G68 says:

      Hello Amin, I have to revise my "rating" for the 43 ″ LG 4K TV :( after more than a week of unsuccessful attempts to get a good picture (on the PC> TV was top) I have the part back and a 34 ″ 21: 9 LG monitor bought> OUT OF THE BOX perfect for everything I do, even my games run in that format and films look even better without black bars. I got this model for a great price> LG 34UM95C-P <
      Now I'm wondering why I didn't switch to the Cinema Display format much earlier?!? Maybe this is an alternative for you before you have the Samsung repaired;)

      • Amin says:

        Dear @Andy G68,
        Thank you for your tip already.
        You have now had the LG 34UM95C-P for over a month, please tell me that you are still very satisfied with your purchase and what kind of requirements a laptop must have on it ...
        I've saved enough money in two weeks and can buy both a decent laptop and a new monitor / TV. And that is urgently needed. I only see stripes ... arghhh.
        I am really looking forward to your feedback after a month of operation, so please do not torture me for long ... in two weeks at the latest I will be on a buying frenzy :)

        LG

    • Tom says:

      I have a question about it. To connect my PC with GTX 760 to my OLED 65BD6 is a DP to HDMI cable enough or do I have to buy such an active adapter? What is the difference between a normal cable and an active adapter?

      • Tom says:

        Oops wrong line. should be used as a standalone comment. Sorry

      • Sir Apfelot says:

        Hello Tom! I just read an explanation about this in an Amazon customer review (Source here):

        Both AMD and (a few years older) NVIDIA cards have a small "problem" with the multi-monitor display in Eyefinity / Surround mode. A maximum of one device can be connected via HDMI at a time. Before it gets too technical, here is a simple (amateur) explanation: You cannot "split" an HDMI signal, but to be able to use Eyefinity / Surround, this is exactly what has to happen, namely a pretense of a large display and the splitting of the signals to the individual ones Graphics card outputs. Sure so far?

        Here is the solution: Display port signals can be split as required. Therefore an active DP to HDMI adapter instead of a passive one. The background is that a passive DP-HDMI adapter only requests an HDMI signal and forwards it to the monitor. The term active is associated with a real conversion in common parlance ... and HERE is the mistake!

        The manufacturer of this adapter does not refer to the conversion of the signals with active, but only installs a repeater / clock generator. The connection is still an HDMI connection on the graphics card side. So I am facing the same problem as with a passive adapter cable (2x HDMI monitor connected). The displays work in normal Windows operation, but in my case I can't use Eyefinity / Surround mode.

        I also understand why the adapter is advertised with Eyefinity support: Because it can also be used in an Eyefinity setup as long as no second monitor is connected via HDMI. But in my opinion you could have written in that the word "active" refers to a repeater and not to a converter.

        I hope this helps you decide.

  5. Busch says:

    Hello, I actually had to buy a 40 ″ TV as a monitor replacement. Unfortunately, my AMD Fury does not support HDMI 2.0, so I would need an additional adapter. If you then add everything together, you can buy the iiyama prolite x4071uhsu B1 directly. Which I did in the end. But the following TV caught my eye, which offers HDMI 2.0 and should also be suitable as a monitor overall:

    -> LG4 0UH630V (40 inch UHD TV) on Amazon

    You can read more details here in the forum (the information is a bit confused, but overall very informative):

    Topic: UHD TVs, providing 4k @ 60Hz with 4: 4: 4 choma (HDMI 2.0)
    https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/778627/geforce-900-series/uhd-tvs-providing-4k-60hz-with-4-4-4-choma-hdmi-2-0-/15/

  6. Marc Gutt says:

    In my opinion, 4K and HDMI are a contradiction in terms, as HDMI cannot handle 4: 4: 4 sampling:
    http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx#146

    At least not with 10 bits and more.

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      As you write: From 10 bits there is no 4: 4: 4, but 8 bits in RGB mode are enough for surfing and office work. For that reason I don't see any contradiction here ... everyone has to decide for themselves what kind of work they want to do. Anyone who works with Photoshop with 16-bit color depth, of course, will not set up a 4K television as a work device anyway. ;-)

  7. Schmitti says:

    Hi Jens,

    thanks for this article!
    I find the subject of UHD TV as a PC monitor extremely interesting. There were times when I had stacked 5 tube monitors in order to be able to use the maximum work surface.
    These big TVs are now something of the holy grail.

    I don't know whether the restriction to sizes around 40 inches makes sense. I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect that you can also use 48 ″ sensibly with a curved model.
    The advantage is that you could actually use this TV in a one-room apartment to watch a movie from the sofa.
    In addition, with very large models, you may only be able to use part of the screen if you don't want to turn your head too much.
    I would be more pleased to receive comments from other users.
    Your blog already gives good clues, but I would like more specific tips than just shopping lists based on specifications. It would be nice to get real experience reports about the practical use.
    I would like to point out one problem. The c't reports of problems in 60Hz mode. (https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-11-4K-TV-als-Monitor-2621535.html)
    There it is said that with the high repetition rate, fonts were displayed a bit fuzzy or too colorful.
    The only remedy here is the 30Hz mode. Then, however, even moving a window does not seem fluid. Playing etc. is impossible in this mode.
    Here, too, I would be very happy about testimonials from other users. Is the 30Hz mode sufficient for text-based use?
    In any case, thank you for your contribution. There is still surprisingly little information to be found on this subject.

    • Johannes Domke says:

      Hello Schmitti!
      Thanks for the comprehensive comment. Yes, especially in a small space, the combined use of a larger TV for entertainment and work can make sense.
      As for the downward adjustment of the repetition rate: for word processing, spreadsheets and similar tasks this is certainly sufficient; especially if the windows are not often moved or the screen content has to be changed in some other way. The freezing of the mouse pointer would also bother me personally. I think that trying out is more important than studying and, in the case of fuzzy-looking fonts, perhaps increasing or reducing the distance between the monitor and the viewer can help. If necessary, it should also help to enlarge the document view. For the mouse pointer - as indicated in the heise article - you could use the search functions and the mouse pointer track as well as larger symbols.
      But you are right: This is where people who have worked through the whole thing should definitely get involved;)

    • Kidney says:

      Hello all
      I have that now LG43UH603V in use for 2 weeks. First an overview of my devices and software used.
      PC: ASUS P8Z77-V LX, LGA1155 PCI-E 3.0 (16GB RAM) with CPU Intel Core i5 3450
      Graphics card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4G from NVIDIA
      Operating system: Win10 (latest version)
      Monitor: LG43UH603V With 3 HDMI 2.0 ports, 3 tuners (satellite, terrestrial and cable)
      HDMI cable: MONSTER Black Platinum (1.50m, Black, Premium)

      Unpacking and installation
      Monitor: usual good packaging, easy assembly, only 2 feet have to be mounted
      GeForce GTX 1050: Graphics card is recognized, required drivers are loaded from CD

      Switching on for the first time
      Attention, first set the screen in your own menu and set the mode to high resolution (4: 4: 4) in the General menu, select "HDMI ULTRA HD Deep Color". Then adjust the forced Windows scaling of 300% to your own needs (125% are quite suitable).
      Of course, the television must first be fine-tuned, after all, this is not a PC device so that you get a display that you can work with.

      First Impressions
      The screen has a razor-sharp image when displaying images (background with 4K image) (even in TV mode), but all fonts are initially displayed completely blurred in Windows applications. In addition, at first I couldn't find a setting in which the color yellow was displayed without a green cast. Another problem was the line distortion which sometimes caused the entire picture to tremble and with which it was not possible to work properly. Ok, so try all the settings of the graphics card (YCbCr 4: 4: 4, 4: 2: 2, 4: 2: 0 / RGB Full, Limited / 60 & 30 Hz) and also try out the various HDMI inputs. All mostly with the same bad result. The RGB Full mode then also led to complete blackouts of the screen.

      The 30 Hertz mode in 4: 4: 4 was temporarily best, in which the line distortion did not occur.
      Since I had a cheaper cable running first, I thought that was where the problem was. But even with the new cable, the only improvement was that the wild-looking white flashing pixels did not appear. So everything pointed to a timing problem. Since the motherboard's BIOS wasn't the newest either, I dared to update. After that, the line flicker problems were over. Apparently a timing problem in the PCI controller has been fixed by the BIOS update.

      Now it turned out that the setting RGB Full (60hz) in the system control of the graphics card brought the best result (quite sharp picture and good representation of yellow areas). The YCbCr modes all had problems with the green tint (the color space setting could only be set from Limited).

      Now solve the problem with the fuzzy fonts. This is a Windows problem even with smaller monitors due to the (in my opinion) completely unusable system font SegoeUi. This is simply replaced by the font Tahoma (Windows XP system font), then clear type is switched off and we have a sharp font. Read under ... http://www.windowscentral.com/how-change-default-system-font-windows-10

      By the way
      One more word about the number of pixels. Under http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/abfe79f
      you can read that the monitor only has 2880 x 2160 pixels. However, it is advertised as a 4k monitor with a 3840 x 2160 resolution. In addition, I now have to know that a "cheap" panel was built into this "cheap" monitor. This then has no real 3840 resolution but only the 2880. So that this is enough for a vertical 3840 display, a white pixel was simply added. Read about ... http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/rgbw-201510084189.htm.

      Summary
      For the price (CHF 400.00) the monitor is OK. However, I assume that a real 3840 resolution will produce a much sharper image (more details). For the time being, I can work quite well with the television for my needs (occasionally programming, editing texts and data). Yes, and then I can just watch TV ... ;-)

      • Sir Apfelot says:

        Hello Rene! Thank you for your extensive review. In any case, it shows that it is not really clumsy and playful if you want to use a TV as a computer monitor. You really had to iron out a few things before it went halfway!

  8. Oversized says:

    Now the question arises which requirements the graphics card has to meet. I have the following graphics card:

    https://www.asus.com/de/Graphics-Cards/R9270XDC2T4GD5/specifications/

    I assume that if the information does not say HDMI 2.0, then HDMI 2.0 is not installed either. But if I have understood everything correctly, can I still transmit 4k to one of these TVs with HDMI 2.0 with the advertised dp to hdmi cable and that with 60 Hz?

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Battal! I think that should be tried out. I can't tell you exactly right now, but I think it will work. But as it always is: The devil is a squirrel ... In a pinch you can send the cable back if it doesn't work. It would be worth a try…

    • Busch says:

      Hello, current (R9 series) and older AMD cards do not support HDMI 2.0. Only now with the RX 480 was 2.0 introduced at AMD. At NVIDIA I think the GTX980 series and of course all current GTX10xx cards can do this. So you would need a DP> HDMI adapter. But be careful, the above is mini DP to HDMI. The adapter is also available as DP> HDMI !! It should then be as follows: https://www.amazon.de/Club-3D-DisplayPort-Aktiver-Adapter/dp/B017BQ8I54/

  9. yup says:

    The new Sonys (at least the xd9305 can be 4: 4: 4 at 60Hz in 4K

  10. Falk says:

    Hi all,

    I cannot support the argument that you sit close to the TV set while gaming. I hardly believe that someone remodels their living room especially for gaming.
    The idea of ​​buying a 40 or 43 inch monitor with 4K resolution is also unusual. Or a result of a lack of education.
    I don't like swinging with the criticism club, but 4K is more worthwhile from 55 inches and up. As soon as you realize how high the number of pixels is in 4K, it certainly makes sense immediately.
    But otherwise many important questions have been clarified. :)
    Best regards
    Falk

  11. Axel Bartsch says:

    Hello, I read this blog and the comments with great interest, but I am still unsure.

    My case:
    I have major vision problems and hope to be able to improve them with a 40 ″ 4K TV / monitor.
    I like the idea of ​​killing two birds with one stone and buying a cheaper TV instead of "just" a monitor.
    I work a lot from home with a 2011 MacBook Pro and have to use music production software (Cubase) in addition to word processing. The TV should therefore mainly serve as a monitor for work.

    For the test I connected my Macbook to my 40 ″ HD TV from Toshiba with a "Mini Display Port HDMI Cable" and it works quite well, but could be even better / sharper. The cable goes into the Thunderbolt input on my Mac.
    My Mac suggested some resolution settings and I chose the one that looked the best.

    To be able to use 4K, I first need HDMI 2.0 compatibility, both on the TV and on the computer, right?
    Unfortunately, I can't find anything about it on my Mac.
    My hardware is:
    Chipset model: Intel HD Graphics 3000
    Type: GPU
    Bus: Integrated
    VRAM (dynamic, maximum): 512 MB
    Manufacturer: Intel (0x8086)
    Device ID: 0x0126
    Version ID: 0x0009
    monitors:
    Color LCD:
    Monitor type: LCD
    Resolution: 1280 x 800
    Pixel depth: 32-bit color (ARGB8888)
    Main monitor: yes
    Sync: Off
    Switched on: Yes
    Integrated: yes

    Now my questions:

    Can my Mac even use 4K?

    Is the cable purchased and the connection used (Thunderbolt) the right one?
    (The cable says nothing about HDMI 2.0)

    Does anyone have experience with Cubase because of the resolution or the size of the image or can there be no problems with individual programs?

    I would be very grateful if you could help me further here.

    Best regards,
    Axel

  12. Axel Bartsch says:

    During my research I found out that my MAc can only do the following:

    Intel® HD Graphics 3000 supports a maximum display resolution of 2560 × 1600.

    Now someone told me that new 4K TVs can still display a lower resolution than 4K.

    Can someone tell me something about this?

    At the moment it looks like I can't get 4K out with my Mac…. :)

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Axel! You're right, unfortunately, your Mac can't 4K. A 4K resolution is 3840 × 2160 pixels (see here ) and the graphics card can do that according to this page from Intel Unfortunately not. If you have a 4K TV and send a signal with fewer pixels to the TV via HDMI cable, then it will scale it down. In my experience, the picture always looks a bit "muddy" because not every pixel on the television has a pixel on the Mac. The television has to calculate intermediate levels of some pixels, which is simply at the expense of sharpness. I think if you don't want to do word processing, but do some games or edit photos, then maybe it will work, but the text display will suffer the most. For this reason, my recommendation would be: just give it a try. You will definitely get a picture, but how good it will be is probably a matter of taste. ;)

  13. FLAR says:

    I have the following working configuration 1. 4K TV at 60 Hz and 2. HD TV at 60 HZ both via HDMI 2.0.
    1. Monitor: TCL U40S6906 102 cm (40 inch) TV (Ultra HD, Triple Tuner DVB-T2 HEVC H.265, Smart TV), 444 euros
    https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01BGRWH38/
    2. Graphics card 8GB MSI Radeon RX 480 Gaming X Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (retail), 239 euros (connections: DVI, 2x HDMI 2.0b, 2x DisplayPort 1.4)
    https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-MSI-Radeon-RX-480-Gaming-X-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16–Retail-_1115515.html

    True plug 'n' play !!

    • Amin says:

      Hello Flar,

      working also means super satisfied with both TV and PC use? sharp writing, no jerking? Have you ever read the bad reviews on A ..? Can you tell me something about it? E.g. Bad:
      - Playback of some 4k films was jerky
      - DTS sound track was not recognized by the television and could not be played
      - The menu reacts very sluggishly, which makes the input very tedious and exhausting
      - TV sometimes hung up when playing 4k films from the hard drive. Only switching it on and off helped here
      - Picture very colder in terms of the colors

      There were quite a few contributions from them, so I'm looking forward to your judgment.

      LG

      • FLAR says:

        Hi Amin,
        of course I meant everything wonderful. Use the TLC only as a monitor! Sharp writing, no jerking, I cannot confirm any of these negative experiences of others. System for me: Windows 8.1.
        That's why I mentioned the graphics card I use because, in my opinion, it is because of others
        I can only recommend my combination to everyone! But there are also GK with 16 Gb. But my GK has 2 HDMI 2.0b connections as one of the few in this unbeatable price range, which was very important to me.

        Graphics card 8GB MSI Radeon RX 480 Gaming X Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (retail), 239 euros (connections: DVI, 2x HDMI 2.0b, 2x DisplayPort 1.4)

        Problems have those who just use an unsuitable GK with less than 8Gb Ram! Image color (gamma) can of course be set both via the TV menu and via graphics card software.
        So far I have only streamed 4K 50 images / sec via YouTube, everything was wonderful and no jerking at all

  14. Moritz says:

    Hi, I was curious enough that I dared use a television as a screen. Long-term experience is of course still missing, that will be seen.

    I have to say, it takes some getting used to and a lot of software acrobatics was also necessary. I got the cheapest Curved Samsung 40-inch model, that is the UE40KU6100. It is connected to the above adapter (Club 3d Display Port Adapter @Amazon) on the display port of my mainboard (Asus A88xPro, AMD A10 7800)

    First I had a firmware update on the television, but it only worked at 60Hz in 4: 4: 4 when I was able to update the graphics card driver. The "small" driver installers with ~ 130MB always got out with an error message (the component is already installed ... -No, it is not!) I was only successful with the large file with almost 600 MB (for a fucking driver!). That must have cost me 3 hours.
    I had to think about whether the APU (graphics unit is ne ATI R7) packs the resolution, but it works wonderfully. I don't gamble though. Video is not a problem, except in Facebook, they probably use some inefficient rendering module that renders past the graphics via the CPU. The videos are more like 640 × 480 motiongif quality, well, just Facebook - it's the epidemic o_0 anyway.
    4k @ Youtube is no problem, Netflix needs Internet Explorer (or Edge) for HD content, because only then does the DRM work via silverlight.

    Then I activated game mode and turned off the automatic display of "Smart Hub". I turn it on and off using an external switch, so it always ends up at the last signal displayed and I don't need the remote control lying around all the time. What bothers me is that it doesn't turn itself off very quickly if the signal is missing. If the computer decides to switch off the screen because there has been no user activity for X minutes, it shows "No signal" for ages. Has someone probably already found a setting with a Samsung that does it?

    But then the representation was still under all hell. Keyword distribution of tonal values ​​/ gradation curves / gamma correction. The following pages helped me set up:

    http://www.tlippert.de/monitor-adjust.htm
    http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

    On the screen itself in game mode only the setting options background lighting (9), brightness (64), contrast (80), sharpness (0), color (50) and color balance (G50 / R50) are available. These are very rough levers and light-linear deviations cannot be brought under control with them. The setting in the delivery state is really useless, if you don't know that you have to make major changes to the settings, you could get the idea that the screen is just shitty. NVidia is good for you, as a tool for setting tone value curves is integrated in the graphics card settings. I've tried the monitor calibration integrated in Win7, but I'm not completely convinced of the result, it's not made for pro-users, but rather DAU-friendly. You are guided by the hand and can hardly do anything wrong, but you don't get to see the interesting things. Running the ClearType wizard through is also a good idea.

    Now I'm still looking for a window manager that divides the desktop into areas so that I don't have to constantly enlarge and reduce windows and move them around in everyday life, shoving around is annoying in the long run. I tried Aqua snap and immediately threw it back down, that was even worse in terms of usability than pushing around. Possibly a matter of getting used to. And my mouse was too slow, if I had to move across the entire desktop, I had to stop it at least once, but I didn't want to make it faster because otherwise I would lack accuracy. got me a gaming mouse with cursor acceleration, I can use the extra buttons :)

    I have scaled it to 130%, realize: I need glasses!
    With Win7 that's a thing with scaling, but W8 and W10 are guaranteed not to get on my computer. Linux is not an alternative for software reasons. Actually, every application causes a little bit of problems. In Firefox, web pages are often displayed in pieces because they are not optimized for high resolution and some elements are then displayed much too large or in the wrong place. Photoshop 11 doesn't scale at all and has tiny controls. Open Office scales, but looks terrible, but if you deactivate the scaling it works. Propellerheads Reason 9.2 scales and looks ugly as a result, but is easier to use than at 100%.

    Overall, I have mixed feelings, but I will keep it in the hope that I will somehow get the little problems that I still have under control. In the long run I definitely need a monitor arm, unfortunately the selection is not so great in the area "Arms that offer Vesa 200 × 200 and can withstand 9 or more kg". Unfortunately, they cost a decent amount, which I'm not ready to spend at least at the moment.

    Regards
    Mo

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Moritz! Thank you for your long experience report! That reads more so "moderately good". According to the motto "it works somehow, but great is different." :( I think it's good that you keep it anyway ... sometimes you have to get used to such solutions first ... VG! Jens

  15. Zerochecker says:

    Got the today Thomson 40ub6406 Installed. Result: SUPER, no frayed fonts or the like, crystal clear picture at 60 Hz. GraKa MSI RX460

  16. Moritz says:

    Hi Jens,

    yes, there are some things that you have to get used to and some things that are rather suboptimal. I just spend a lot of time in front of the screen and ergonomics is a very important point. (And also the real reason for the purchase) Right now, the ergonomics are still in need of optimization, which is why I am probably more critical than necessary.

    It was clear to me beforehand that I had to do this at a time when I had no stress and had time to at least get a grip on the worst problems. (If it doesn't work, the return will only work for a limited time.) I have to move a little further away from the screen, so I need a monitor arm because my table is not that deep. I had to muddle through the scaling problems, but now it's going quite well.

    I no longer felt like having multiple screens on the workstation, and with programs that can use the space (or corresponding application situations), the gain in space is very pleasant.

    And there are also things that are simply fantastic! Zooming through the world with Chrome in Google Maps in 3D mode is incredibly good. you just see completely different things from above. Very exciting.
    Watching films is also very good. So good that I'll complain to Netflix that the picture quality is so poor. (It's okay on the smart TV, but on the computer I have artifacts and heavy banding, so I wonder why I'm actually paying for that shit, there are better quality with the robbery copiers)

    And what are the alternatives, please? I haven't seen Curved with 4K and a decent monitor base and if so, you pay stupidly and dumbly for the fact that only the dab-like panel is in there anyway. I also think that now I only notice a lot of things that were stupid before, but didn't really stand out. (Moving windows e.g.)

    As a result: The display is good to very good and the problems that I still have at the moment mostly do not come from the device itself. If the planned obsolescence does not haunt me, I will enjoy this part. :-)

    Regards
    Mo

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Moritz! This is a nice "replenishment". It's all a bit of a question of attitude. If you want to be able to live with something, then you can. I am in good spirits that you will keep the TV. : D

      • Moritz says:

        Hi Jens,

        That sounds in your words as if I had to gloss over my purchase and that is, at least from my inside, not so. I already knew beforehand that some things would not be optimal, which things exactly and to what extent was not so clear. And of course there are things there that I don't like, like everywhere else. Angela Merkel is not the Chancellor I would like - tough luck!
        That is exactly the reason why we are talking here at all: There is relatively little information on this topic and if you are interested in it you have to collect the snippets yourself.

        Some of the snippets came from here, so I thought it would be a good idea to share my experiences with other seekers who would probably also come over here (and also do that, see Zerochecker) so that the next person has a better basis for his decision. Not everyone can and wants to take this risk. When there is more knowledge, progress can take place.

        All in all, it's still the best screen I could get for the money, although of course "the best" is open to interpretation, that's why I created so much text around it, contexts make sense. As the Americans say so beautifully:

        "Your Mileage May Vary"

        Regards
        Mo

        PS: I already replied to your post in the last post, why it still created a new thread, I don't understand. possibly blocked Javascript. I've allowed it now, let's see what happens ...

  17. Marc says:

    Hello everyone who loves to write,

    first of all: really great report and idea!
    I had already asked me that and would like to implement it ..

    A question for the group here - maybe someone can help out with a quick tip:
    I tried it on the existing 4K TV: Hisense 65 inch ...
    The system fonts as well as the icons are perfect! Looks great!
    Unfortunately, however, with Word, the typo IN Word is terribly coarse-pixelated (unusable) ...
    What am I doing wrong? Had the work computer attached to it (current Lenovo model ... (input that is used that is normally used with the PS4 Pro)
    Since the system fonts as well as the icons are crisp, I do not assume that the hardware is a problem, it will be a wrong setting ... only: which one?)

    • Sir Apfelot says:

      Hello Marc!

      Wow, that's a strange problem. I could only explain that to myself that maybe Word itself does not do any font smoothing in the display. Maybe you can try Pages as an editor. And maybe change the font? So just try out the usual system fonts and different font sizes? Perhaps it only smooths from a certain font size? Otherwise, I really haven't heard of the problem yet. I would blame it on Word. But you can find out if, for example, you set the same font and font size in Pages. If that's where the problem arises (which I don't believe), then it's probably with the Scriptures. If the hardware were the problem, all other programs and the system fonts should also be affected. But that works for you.
      VG! Jens

  18. Fabian says:

    does the samsung ue43nu7459 have 60hz? samsung doesn't want to give me any information! but if it doesn't have 60hz I don't want it!

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